Georgia Hall: Mastering golf’s mental game

This week’s episode of The Game Changers features professional golfer and major champion Georgia Hall who talks to Sue Anstiss about winning the AIG Women’s Open with her dad as her caddy, the loneliness of playing on the LPGA Tour and why she doesn’t work with a sports psychologist. 

Georgia won the AIG Women’s Open in 2018 and now plays on the Ladies European Tour and the LPGA Tour. She’ll be taking part in her first Olympics this summer and will be aiming to win her second major championship at the AIG Women’s Open when it is played at the home of golf, St Andrews, in August.

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Transcript

Georgia Hall

Sue Anstiss: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to The Game Changers. I'm Sue Anstis and this is the podcast where you'll hear from trailblazing women in sport who are knocking down barriers and challenging the status quo for women and girls everywhere. What can we learn from their journeys as we explore some of the key issues around equality in sport and beyond?

I'd like to start with a big thank you to our partner, Sport England, who support the game changers through a National Lottery Award.

My guest today is Georgia Hall, MBE, English professional golfer who plays on the Ladies European Tour and on the LPGA Tour. Turning professional in 2014, Georgia had early success with two wins on the Ladies European Tour and received the LET Order of Merit in 2017 and 2018, the youngest ever player to defend the title.

Georgia earned her LPGA Tour card in 2018, the [00:01:00] same year that she won the Women's British Open at Royal Lytham, her first major championship victory. Georgia went on to win a further LPGA Tour event in Portland, USA in 2020 and now has eight professional tour wins to her name.

So Georgia, where did it all begin for you and golf? 

Georgia Hall: I think where it began with me, uh, when I was seven years old, my dad took me to the local driving range, we're near where we live. Um, he's really into sport and so was I and, um, being first born, he kind of took me straight away and, um, Went on from there really.

I got my first handicap when I was nine years old and I've been playing golf ever since and I really enjoy it and I just love how you can never kind of protect the game. There's always something to work on, which is challenging. 

Sue Anstiss: And I imagine it must have been pretty hard to even make contact with a ball when you're that young coming to the sport that young.

So what was it [00:02:00] the appeal to you about it over other sports? Did you play other sports too? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, I was in all of the teams in school. I was on the boys cricket team, um, I done a bit of cross country, um, football team, I like badminton, um, I just loved loads of sports and I just loved how competitive everything was and I didn't like being in a team too much so I think that kind of made my decision quite easy and I didn't really want to rely on other players.

And when I played football, I always wanted to have the ball myself. So, um, I, yeah, I just, um, I love this golf and how you're in just the fresh air and how you just It's so social and there's just different parts of the game that you need to be good at. So, um, I took to it quite easily, well easily when I was younger and, um, and then I kind of had to give up other sports to then try and pursue this.

Sue Anstiss: And you mentioned that your dad was a keen golfer and I believe there's an interesting story around your name as well too. 

Georgia Hall: [00:03:00] Yeah, so I was supposed to be born in May but I was like three or four weeks early and, um, I was born the week the masters was on, um, in Augusta, Georgia and Nick Faraday actually won the year I was born and, um, of course his daughter's called Georgia as well.

So I kind of, I think they loved the name, um, straight away and it was the only one they had. And, uh, it kind of looked strange how I ended up being a professional golfer because of it. 

Sue Anstiss: Well, I love that. What was the progress like then from playing as a female golfer in a club? You said you've got a handicap, you know, a good handicap at quite a young age, but what was the progress then in England to, to kind of moving through?

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Georgia Hall: Yeah, um, I got my first handicap when I was nine years old. I'm off 36 and then I was 10 years old off 10. And then I played in a, a couple of junior events and then got selected and got a phone call one day saying that the England squad, someone wants to drive down to watch you play nine holes.

And I was, I remember 12 years old and I got selected for the Southwest [00:04:00] side and then played for England all the way up until I was 18. I won kind of the, the two biggest. British amateur event played in the world championship, things like that. And, and then I, when I was 18, turned professional, um, I always wanted to turn professional at 18.

I didn't want to do any more school or go to college in the U. S. And yeah, I mean, it's definitely had some challenging times, um, like anyone, and you just enjoy the journey. And I think that, you know, being a professional golfer, it definitely is hard work. That's not what everyone thinks. It is. Um, it's living out of a suitcase a lot of the time, but, um, I think those vital amateur wins and the experiences you have as an amateur really does set you up very well for being a professional.

Sue Anstiss: And so was it a fairly straightforward decision to go professional for you? Because you say that kind of not considering you're not taking the scholarship, uh, you had your heart set on it, but did it come quite [00:05:00] easily in order to make that decision? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Um, I do. Want to do anything else.

I don't want to do anything kind of at school. Um, I've thought to myself, I want to just be on tour as soon as possible. That's what I love doing. I love competing and trying to win and play on amazing golf courses around the world. It was, yeah, it was a very easy decision for me. I, I, and I don't, I didn't have a plan B at the time.

Sue Anstiss: And can you explain to us a little bit between the difference between the L. E. T. and the L. P. G. A.? For those that might not be as, as familiar with the setup of women's golf. 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, so the L. E. T. is an Asia European tour. I tampered at 18 and played on that for years. Um, it's kind of my home tour because I'm European and um, obviously we play more in Europe there.

The LPGA is kind of the US tour. It's the biggest tour in the ladies circuit. It's where the best players play, the best in the world. The prize funds are bigger, the courses are better [00:06:00] set up, harder set up. And it's mostly in the US, but we go to Asia and then Europe. Um, that's where you kind of get your world ranking points and, and you do compete against the best in the world.

Both tours are fantastic for professionals. Um, the European tour is kind of, you know, a great place to start. And that's where I started and won the two Order of Merits there. And kind of set me up very nicely to then make my way in 2018 to the LPGA. 

Sue Anstiss: And are there similar tours? Is there like an Asian tour?

Are there similar tours? I don't know. I'm learning as we're here. But are there similar tours that feed into the LPGA? 

Georgia Hall: There's a Korean tour and a Japanese tour as well. Um, and then there's a lower tour than the LPGA based in the US called EPSOM tour. Um, but the main tour where the best players play is the LPGA.

Sue Anstiss: And you twice won the Order of Merit. On the L. E. T., on the Ladies European Tour. So what does that entail? 

Georgia Hall: Um, so yeah, you play all year [00:07:00] really and you gain points and, and, um, money as well. And whoever basically has played the best all year will win the Order of Merit. So the first time I won, I kind of, I was very close a lot of times.

I had a very consistent year. And then the second year I won, obviously the AIG Women's Open. that kind of helped my Order of Merit points as well to win that, which is obviously it's a fantastic achievement to win the Order of Merit because there are a lot of good players. Um, and it gives you kind of exemption status for the next 10 or so years.

Sue Anstiss: And I was going to move on to that. So you won your first major as the AIG Women's Open In 2018, you're just 22 years old. And I think that's probably where many people, especially in the UK, heard more about you. There's quite a lot of profile around that. So can you tell us about that experience and what it was like to win at home?

Georgia Hall: Yeah, it was, um, incredible. It was maybe slightly unexpected. That is my rookie year on the LPGA. I had my [00:08:00] dad caddying and it was just an amazing experience for it to be in England and to have I mean on the weekend I couldn't believe, uh, how many people were watching and came out to support. I've never played in, in bigger crowds like it.

And I was kind of the only British player up there, uh, on the weekend. So I just, I just was overwhelmed with how many people were there. Um, and my mum was watching as well. It was just really special for, like, my family and I still didn't realize at the time, I don't think how much that win gave me in terms of just recognition and to know that, you know, however else I play for the rest of my life, I would have that next to my name and to win a major is so hard these days and you can't back away or can't back off on the last day.

The standard of golf is just incredible, um, let alone the golf course we play. So. To win that week's extra special and I still kind of look back now and, um, it gives me goosebumps. 

Sue Anstiss: And it [00:09:00] was amazing. You say that your dad was caddying for you throughout it. I mean, that must have been such a special, special experience to have shared that, you know, to can't get any closer to the event itself and to have been right there with you on the greens.

Georgia Hall: Yeah, I know. And he only did like two or three at that point. Um, I had my boyfriend at the time caddy for me all year. So, You know, it's just great to have him there next to me. And it's just an awesome experience because I was kind of up there the whole week, but I wasn't leading on the final day, going into the final day, which I thought was quite good, really.

Cause it took a little bit of pressure off me and I wasn't really in the lead till 17th. So, um, it was quite nice. I was coming from behind and it was just, yeah, I mean, the weather was incredible as well that week. I mean, it wasn't like a linked golf course. Really, the links, whether we have, we never know, but luckily it was in England.

So yeah, it was good. It was a good test. 

Sue Anstiss: And you won 490, 000, I think at the time, which is obviously incredible. And the price funds now increased. So the overall [00:10:00] price funds 9 million. I think the winner takes home 1. 35 million. So how good has it been to see that increase in prize money, as I guess as the years have gone on?

Georgia Hall: Yeah, it's increased just a little bit since I won, but it's absolutely fantastic to see what they've, you know, what the RNA and AIG have come together and how much it has increased and will increase in future years. And, um, the support that it gives to women's golf is just, you know, incredible. And I know myself and other players are extremely grateful for the support that we have and just the golf courses we get to play as well, let alone the prize funds, just we're playing the best golf courses.

Year in year out and the best test and we just we get amazing crowds and media coverage because of it And I think that's just what, what we deserve because you know, there's so much standard in the women's game these days and variety of countries and players and personalities and I'm, I'm happy that now like the world gets to see that.

Sue Anstiss: As I say, you shouldn't be grateful for it. You bloody should have it. You're [00:11:00] like amazing, amazing athletes, aren't you as well too. It's obviously still got a way to go in terms of the prize money to match the men's though, the prize money. So are you confident that things are moving in the right direction there?

Georgia Hall: Yeah, a hundred percent. I think that, um, a lot of people do compare the prize money to the men's and I think that the men's is a very, we shouldn't be looked at as the same. It should be very separate because we are, you know, separate entities and players. And, um, I just think that we need to be on our own kind of standard and what we have done further 10 years has improved massively.

And we just got to keep focusing on that. And like I said, I think AIG Women's Day can just create a much better example for other companies and other sponsors and other tournaments to raise the bar just like they have. 

Sue Anstiss: And obviously there's prize money for those at the top and those that make the cut in the big tournaments.

But how tough is it for a young woman starting out today to make a living on the tour? [00:12:00] 

Georgia Hall: Uh, yeah, I think it all depends how good you are, but for, um, The expenses are very high every year, and that's when I think sponsors are very important for a player. And I think that that's what kind of gets you going at the start of the year.

Especially if you don't play very well, if you miss cuts, I mean you don't earn any money but you actually lose quite a lot of money every week, and I don't think people realise that. So yeah, I think that comes with a little bit of a pressure, but then I think that's why us players need sponsors to help us kind of have that leeway at the start of the year and not to put as much pressure on ourselves and just go out and enjoy it.

Excellent. Yeah. 

Sue Anstiss: And you played in your fourth Solheim Cup. Last year. So what's that like in a team environment, especially when golf is such a solo sport? As you've said, that was almost your draw to it in the first place, but how different is it playing in it in that team environment? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, I really enjoy it.

Um, I think it, cause we are solo so [00:13:00] much and travel on our own a lot. It can be quite a lonely, kind of life and, and to play in the Solheim and it's just great fun. It's very different. As you say, we spent morning, lunch, breakfast, dinner together. Um, you get to know the team a lot better and it's really interesting to see who you get paired with and, um, just playing match play as well as a very different, different format and different mentality.

Um, you can be a bit more aggressive and I think just, The European team have such strong mentality and very different personalities and I think that's why we do so well when we kind of really come together as a team that week. So it's always nice to kind of Win three times recently in a row 

Sue Anstiss: and what's it like playing in the US versus playing in Europe?

Imagine the support across the course feels very different for you as a team. Yeah, 

Georgia Hall: they're definitely a lot louder and We yeah, we played Not last time the time [00:14:00] before when it was Covid and we didn't have one support With that, because no one could travel over there. And that was very strange for us.

And we ended up winning that. And I think that's when we really showed ourselves to the team more than ever. Um, that we were a group of about 25 and, and that was it. And, uh, there was just so much support from America and they were so loud. And. We do obviously fire it when we're at home. So, and which this time we will not be.

Um, but I think we'll have a lot of support from everyone and everyone's families. And I think, um, it'd be a lot of fun. 

Sue Anstiss: And the viewing figures for the Solheim Cup were amazing on Sky last year. I think it was the best all year round for women's golf. So why do you feel there isn't always that level of interest full year for the 

Georgia Hall: schedule?

I mean, it's hard because obviously coming from England, I know that they don't show it as much over, over here that they do in the U. S. and obviously the time difference is a big part of that. I think that's why that when we do have the big events over here, European events, ARG [00:15:00] Women's Open, they are shown as much as possible and that, yeah, the youngsters and the crowds over here can watch, um, and watch as much golf, not just two hours of it.

and watch not just the leaders, but you know, everyone and the home favorites and things like that. But like I said, that, that is improving as well. Um, but I think that. There is four, five, six of the British players that play on the LPGA, and I know that from experience that a lot of the people and family over here want to watch us, and I know it's a bit of a struggle, so I think that that can be improved.

Sue Anstiss: And we're obviously seeing a huge push for girls to take part in what have been known as more traditionally male sports, team sports like football, cricket and rugby, but lots of profile for those players too. So Do you worry that individual sports like golf are maybe missing out on the noise around that kind of growth in women's sport?

Um, 

Georgia Hall: yeah, 

Sue Anstiss: I 

Georgia Hall: think golf is very different. I think it's, I really do. I'm not biased, but I think it's the hardest sport in the world. And [00:16:00] simply because you can't hide in a team, like in these team sports, they're getting so much recognition that it's easy if you're not having a good day to kind of Not be noticed as much and with golf you're kind of out there and although you have a caddy you are really on your own and you have all these people, you know watching and all these people that support you and sponsor you and represent you watching and and You kind of if you have a bad day and one sees it and you can't hide from that I think that's what's so great about golf.

It's just very natural and true and and it's hard And I think that's why sometimes, you know, you can't just go out with a football and to a field anywhere, you have to have bowl clubs, you have to be a member, or you have to know someone to play with, so I think that's, that's kind of the reason, but I mean, even from when I started taking up the game, I've just seen such a massive growth in in the sport, especially in women and girls, and even from where I come from, the numbers have tripled since then.

Sue Anstiss: And we've [00:17:00] obviously seen Nelly Korda making headlines recently, both on and off the course, and appearing at the Met Gala, etc. So how important is it, do you think, that we see those characters emerging in golf in the way we have in other sports? 

Georgia Hall: I think she's doing amazing for our game at the moment and bringing so much awareness.

And, um, I know that so many people tuned in to watch her win at Chevron, uh, the first major of the year. And I mean, I, I know Nettie fairly well, and I just, she works, she's such a hard worker and even just the things she's doing off the course is just really cool. And I know us players that like, you know, when she teased it off at the moment, I mean, you, you think that she's going to win.

So, um, I think it's just great for the women's game in general and I know that it's creating a lot of media attention is exactly what we need. 

Sue Anstiss: And how much pressure is there for you as a female athlete to build that profile through social media? Is it something that you enjoy doing or something that you feel that you ought to do?

Georgia Hall: [00:18:00] Uh, I think it's something I have maybe a slight requirement, I would say, that I need, that I am on social media. I think that, do I enjoy doing it? Uh, yes and no. I think that it's good and sometimes not, not good, but I think it depends on how you present yourself and. My social media is predominantly goals because that's kind of what I do is as my job and that's who I kind of Feel that I am and I think that you know youngsters out there if they do have the social media They want to see gold things or learn things or see my swing or things like that.

So Yeah, I think it can be good if it's used in in the right way And it's a great way of kind of kind of showing yourself to the world or showing like your real self so I think that's important too as well, not kind of show things that aren't true. 

Sue Anstiss: And I wonder if you can tell us a little bit about actually being part of the LPGA tour.

From the outside, it obviously looks [00:19:00] quite glamorous, this depiction of international travel. But in reality, how tough is it being away from home and being on the road, living out of suitcases? Yeah, 

Georgia Hall: so I basically just get home and then unpack, wash and put the same stuff back in my suitcase. Okay. That is, I mean, the most time I have off is probably two weeks at a time, and I'm away for two, three weeks.

And then the same thing, back for a week like I am this week, and then I'm away again. And I actually have six weeks in a row coming up. So, and, you know, we don't get private jets like the men. Or a lot of the men and we don't go in five star hotels. I mean, I'm just in like courtyards or things like that or, uh, every week in the U.

S. And you have to book everything and rental cars and yeah, it's, you get driven everywhere. So it's, It's quite not the same as the men, um, and you know, you don't, although I'm, people think I see the world, I really don't because I'm practicing every single [00:20:00] day, five, six hours, and then by the end I want to go to the gym, and then you just go to bed.

So, I think, um, people aren't really aware of that, um, but, You know, I'm very used to it now and like I said, it can be quite lonely. I think it's very important to have a couple of friends that you trust out there on tour and that you can go to dinner with and, and chat with and know that are there if you need them.

Because, you know, especially coming from the UK that our families don't really travel out, it's a long way and, and it's not really. It can be quite boring for them. So, um, yeah, I think that's kind of, that basically sums it up, to be honest. 

Sue Anstiss: And how do you, how have you juggled that life, relationships, and constantly being on the move?

Is it just planning, you know, the compassion of others, etc., in terms of how you balance that in your life? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, well, when I have a week at home, I do have to plan every day, really. Because most of the time, when you have a week off, there's actually things you [00:21:00] just need to get done. Is And you don't really have a lot of downtime because, you know, I still need to practice.

I still need to go and see family, go to the gym. There's other normal house, you know, I have a house that I need to look after and make sure everything's working there. So it's like, it's, you know, I'll go for dinner. I'll probably have two days off. that I can do what I want in, that's just kind of the way it is.

And it's just, it's busy, but I, I quite like being busy, so I'm quite lucky that way, but I do know that a lot of players really do dislike the not being at home and not being in your own bed. And that is something that kind of, if you want to do this and be successful at that, you kind of need to. And 

Sue Anstiss: I'm, I'm really interested in that mental side of golf, which seems to be kind of so important and perhaps more important than the physical skill itself in some cases.

If you're good enough to play on the LPGA tour, I imagine that you have the potential to win a tournament. So what is it do [00:22:00] you think that separates those players in the, in the top 10 from the rest that are playing? That's a good question. Um, 

Georgia Hall: I think, well, a goal is like 90%, 90 percent mental in, in my opinion.

Some of us like, find it easier to hit the ball than others. Some people need to work harder, but I think that what separates is just, yeah, the mentality and confidence, I think really confidence and having that team behind you that you can rely on. I think, um, They all say, you know, like, we are normal humans at the end of the day, and we have, like, a life, and I think that, like, what I've learned is, like, golf doesn't stop for any of it, so whatever's, like, going on, or if you have things in your life that, you know, you need to sort, you still have to play golf, and it's still your job.

And I think that, I think there's a lot of people out there that kind of judge very easily, and the thing is, is if you win one week, then, oh well, you know, on the Monday [00:23:00] after, people kind of forget, and it's like, well, next week? What are you going to do next week? And are you going to win next week? And if you don't play well with, oh, well, there's always just a lot of chat behind the scenes, and Some people just don't know kind of what's going on or you might just not fancy going that week and you don't want to be there or you have something at home and so yeah, I think that a lot of people have high expectations as well of that.

And, um, that as players, we can all relate to that. And I think year in year, it's just very different. And you have lots of highs and lows of golf, but, um, I think as long as you stick in there and you do have to be mentally strong, uh, for it to work. 

Sue Anstiss: And you appear to be very calm from the outside. It's just watching, but clearly there are nerves and so on, especially in those big moments.

So how has that changed over your career to learn, you know, To deal with that. Is that working with psychologists? Is that coaches? Or how, you know, how do you evolve in that space? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah. Um, well, I've never seen one of them. [00:24:00] I take a lot from experience. Um, I know for a fact that if I'm, if I'm not calm on the golf course, it's not going to help my golf whatsoever, whether I hit a bad shot or not.

So there's just really no point of it. And it's just a mental battle. I think the hardest part of it is the walking in between the shots of you thinking about the last shot, what you hit, what shot you have coming up. Uh, sometimes there's some tee shots that, you know, would scare players on the course, and they think about the whole round until it's over, and then So it's just things like that really, it's just, that is the hardest part of it.

Sue Anstiss: So how do you, how do you deal with that then? Is it just experience? That's amazing that you don't work with a sports psychologist really, isn't it? You rare in that amongst the rest of the girls? Yeah, 

Georgia Hall: um, I would say, certainly. I think, I think more Europeans don't have one. What I've come to learn, I think everyone is very different and that's what makes them different.

Yeah, good at the game. I think, yeah, I just, I just feel like, um, I'm the [00:25:00] only one out there who knows, and it's like hitting a golf shot. I, I am in the golf shop myself. So I, I find it hard for someone else to tell me how I should feel when they don't, when they're not a professional golfer. So that's the reason why I kind of haven't had one.

And I think that for me mentally, I'm the strongest when I'm on the golf course. Um, that's where I'm like the most confident. In my life in general, so I feel like I don't need one in that aspect. 

Sue Anstiss: Brilliant. Yeah, well, you're having success. So yeah, it's clearly working. We're obviously seeing more and more professional female athletes combining motherhood with their careers.

And it's great to see how the LPGA has embraced that. So can you tell us a little bit more about the support that's been offered to women on the LPGA tour that might have children? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, um, well, as far as I'm aware, I think that it's good, what I see anyway. I haven't experienced it firsthand. Yeah, I'll have to let you know in like five years time, but, um, I know that there is maybe four or [00:26:00] five, um, like mothers out there that bring their children and, um, I know that they drop them off, like, there at the cub house before they go and practice and pick them up after and they go on days out and the carers are really, really, like, first class.

So, uh, yeah, I think what I've heard anyway is that it's, it's just really good and I think that's so important as well that, um, And they have that because I know that so many players want to have a family and carry on with their careers and it is very hard and you don't see many players come back the same.

After it, and I'm not sure why I think maybe like again, mentality that they have something more important, but men seem to do it pretty easy. So I don't know. I think it's different for women must be different for women. Um, but yeah, it is very good. 

Sue Anstiss: Excellent. So obviously, we've got Paris coming up very soon, just around the corner this summer.

So what are your thoughts kind of ahead of that and the Olympic Games? 

Georgia Hall: Yeah, I think I'm really looking forward to it. It'll be my first time playing in it. I think it's nice that it's just so close as [00:27:00] well. I can just get a train up there and yeah, I think anytime you get to represent your country or Great Britain or Europe is a massive honor and.

I think it'd be a fantastic experience as well being part of that and it'd be strange kind of playing and only playing three places. So, see how that goes. Excellent. Well, we wish 

Sue Anstiss: you well. And finally, you've obviously had a huge success in your career so far, but what is that ambition for the next few years?

And also, and I don't know whether you think about this yet or not, but life beyond golf, do you think about things that you'd like to do beyond your golfing career? 

Georgia Hall: Um, yeah, I think I'd definitely like to win a major in America. That would be one of my top goals to be as low in the world rankings as possible.

Um, just all the same ones, everyone else really want to be in contention as much as possible and just, just to be the best that I can be and really push myself after golf, I'm not quite sure. I haven't really looked far into that. I know that. I do, like, want to have a family one day. That'd be something.

Um, [00:28:00] I really like, kind of, interior design or houses, properties, things like that. So I think that that would probably be me after golf. I'm not sure. What I do know is I won't play that much when I retire. Um, that would be me, kind of, done. I'll play here or there. I might turn up to a women's open. But, yeah, that would be me.

Yeah, that's the extent of that, I think.

Sue Anstiss: Thanks again to Georgia for taking us into the life of a professional golfer. We wish her well for the year ahead and I will certainly be following her career more closely in future. If you'd like to hear more from athletes like Georgia, there are over 180 episodes of the Game Changers podcast that are free to listen to on all podcast platforms or from our website at fearlesswomen.

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We now have over seven and a half thousand members across the world, so please do come and join us. The whole of my book, Game On, The Unstoppable Rise of Women's Sport, is also free to listen to on the podcast. Every episode of Series 13 is me reading a chapter of the book. Thanks again to Sport England for backing the Game Changers through a National Lottery Award, and also to Sam Walker at What Goes On Media, who does such a brilliant job as our executive producer.

Thank you also to my fantastic colleague at Fearless Women, Kate Hannan.

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